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	<title>Comments on: Forgotten Master: Adolf von Menzel (Polish/German, 1815-1905)</title>
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		<title>By: Bearded Roman &#187; Bernarda Fink: Great Talent and Taste</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 16:56:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The painting featured on the cover a pastel and charcoal drawing on paper by the artist Adolf von Menzel (Polish/German, 1815-1905), recently featured on this blog. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really like E. Roesler Franz, and would never have made that connection. Now that you point it out, they have a lot of similarities in tonality and treatment of the figure. Where Franz paints the 10,000-foot view, Menzel paints the intimate, 10-foot version.

About their &quot;brushy&quot;-ness, I believe it has to do with a few factors. First, the images I chose were mainly drawings, chalk, gouache, or oil on paper. (I added two more paintings just a moment ago.)  With those media, it&#039;s hard to get a finished surface like that of an oil on canvas or oil on board and, therefore, regardless of the painter, will most often reveal more of the artist&#039;s stroke. Second, ant-academic and pro-impressionist art historian often like to say that one of the reasons the Impressionists didn&#039;t get along with the academic painters was because their paintings didn&#039;t look glassy and showed their strokes. This assumes that all academic painters had glassy finishes, which isn&#039;t true.Breton, Meissonier, and Old Maters like Titian and VelÃ¡zquez regularly showed their brush strokes. To be fair, and for the last point, Menzel was not a hardcore academician, though he taught at the Academy in Berlin. He was more of a realist. The verisimilitude of his work required a kind of ambiguity that a classicist working in the ideal would change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really like E. Roesler Franz, and would never have made that connection. Now that you point it out, they have a lot of similarities in tonality and treatment of the figure. Where Franz paints the 10,000-foot view, Menzel paints the intimate, 10-foot version.</p>
<p>About their &#8220;brushy&#8221;-ness, I believe it has to do with a few factors. First, the images I chose were mainly drawings, chalk, gouache, or oil on paper. (I added two more paintings just a moment ago.)  With those media, it&#8217;s hard to get a finished surface like that of an oil on canvas or oil on board and, therefore, regardless of the painter, will most often reveal more of the artist&#8217;s stroke. Second, ant-academic and pro-impressionist art historian often like to say that one of the reasons the Impressionists didn&#8217;t get along with the academic painters was because their paintings didn&#8217;t look glassy and showed their strokes. This assumes that all academic painters had glassy finishes, which isn&#8217;t true.Breton, Meissonier, and Old Maters like Titian and VelÃ¡zquez regularly showed their brush strokes. To be fair, and for the last point, Menzel was not a hardcore academician, though he taught at the Academy in Berlin. He was more of a realist. The verisimilitude of his work required a kind of ambiguity that a classicist working in the ideal would change.</p>
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		<title>By: Elatia Harris</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 15:16:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In fact kind of like the E. Roesler Franz cityscapes of Rome, of the famous &quot;Roma Sparita&quot; series -- you must like those too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In fact kind of like the E. Roesler Franz cityscapes of Rome, of the famous &#8220;Roma Sparita&#8221; series &#8212; you must like those too.</p>
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		<title>By: Elatia Harris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elatia Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 15:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These paintings are so brushy! Not terribly Mid-century academic in that way, do you think?</description>
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